Intro: These notes were handed out along
with David Noakes’ prophecy, ”Waves
from July 2009 onwards. You can therefore test this warning with
Notes by S. Dobbs, July 2009.
Avoiding deception: It seems that deception has increased
just as David Noakes’ word predicted 19 yrs ago. I believe that
the situation has reached a point where a good knowledge of scripture,
on its own,
is no longer enough; that we must now also be submitting to God and
serving His purposes as our major priority in life if we are to remain
free from deception ourselves. I believe the devil will also soon send
a flood of deception through parts of the Christian media so we need
to be weighing up the types of claims mentioned below.
update: From April 2008 onwards I felt led by the Lord to warn others
about Todd Bentley’s ministry. As you know it
emerged a few months later that Bentley had been having an adulterous
affair during his revival meetings that summer. He has also failed
to produce any evidence to support his claims that 30 plus people had
been raised from the dead. Bentley claimed this had been happening
as viewers had placed dead bodies in front of T.V sets screening his
meetings live through the “God Channel”. As 1
Pet 3; 7 states “husbands... giving honour
to the wife... that your prayers may not be hindered” was Bentley really used to this degree whilst
unfaithful to his wife? Rick Joyner is now overseeing Bentleys return
to ministry. Joyner is the main leader in the Kansas City prophet’s
movement that Noakes’ prophecy warns us about.
The “God Channel”: This is run by Rory and Wendy Alec
who although well intentioned both clearly lack discernment. There
was evidence of this a few years ago when Wendy Alec chose Paul
(another leading Kansas City prophet), as her spiritual adviser during
the time that Cain had been living a secret life of active homosexuality,
alcoholism and recreational drug use. She even had Cain write the introduction
to her own book of prophecies without discerning that anything was
wrong. Once Cain was publically exposed for this sin Alec then turned
to Rick Joyner for advice instead. The Alec’s also promoted Todd
Bentley last year and his claims that people were being raised from
the dead through the God Channels live screening of his meetings. They
have not admitted making any mistakes concerning this since but seem
to have gone into a state of denial instead. I believe that this “turning
a blind eye” and failure to take responsibility now leaves the
Alec’s very vulnerable spiritually; that they have given the
devil an entitlement to blind and deceive them. As they now influence
millions of Christians I believe the “God Channel” has
become an Achilles heel for the church, an organisation that Satan
can now use to sow major deceptions into the body of Christ. It is
clear that they are already open to some extremely deceived ministries,
(see the following examples). Furthermore a recent “God Channel” newsletter
stated that they will soon be moving their base from the UK to Kansas
- the U.S. state where these same Kansas City prophets are based -
is this just a coincidence?
Bob Jones is a leading
Kansas City prophet and has been something of a spiritual mentor to
Todd Bentley. In an online interview with Patricia King both Jones
and Bentley claim that they can visit the third heaven, at will, whenever
they want (view
video). Jones also believes and has stated elsewhere that he goes
up there “every
by faith, as part of his “rapture exercises”.
Experiences of heaven were very rare in the bible though and far more
profound and awesome than described here. So are Bentley and Jones’ experiences
coming from Gods Holy Spirit or are they having demonic experiences
of visiting the astral plain as New Agers commonly do? I
Thess 5; 21 tells us to “test
all things” so surely we should be weighing
up such claims as they may have been deceived.
Seeking ministry from the dead: Deut
18; 10, 11, “There shall
not be found among you...a consulter with familiar spirits” (KJV).
Bob Jones has claimed very publically that the spirit of a deceased
Indian monk, Sundar Singh, has appeared and ministered to him many
times. He has also introduced Todd Bentley to this spirit. 1
Jn 4; 1 tells us “do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits,
whether they are of God”. So is this spirit sent from God or
a deceiving spirit sent by the devil? So is this Christianity or spiritualism?
Concerning Angelic encounters: In “Angelic Hosts 2003” Bentley
writes “Bob...told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth
and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980’s...she
floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn
Kuhlman in those old videos”. Does this sound like the
angels described in the bible? As 2 Cor 11;
14 tells us that “Satan...
transforms himself into an angel of light” we must ask - have
Bentley and Jones been experiencing angels sent from God or fallen
Deceased Christians becoming angels: The “God Channel” promoted
a conference this May called “Honouring the Mothers” to
celebrate Mothers Day. This occasion focused on honouring Christian
lady ministers who have in died the past, e.g. Kathryn Kuhlman. What
many people don’t realise though is that the two main leaders
behind these meetings believe that we should be seeking ministry from
the spirits of these deceased Christian women, who they believe return
to earth as angels. This is identical to the beliefs of Jones and Bentley
who seek ministry from the spirits of Sundar Singh and Emma. The two
leaders I’m referring to here are Rick Joyner and Gwen Shaw.
Is this a coincidence or is Mothers Day being used by Joyner to subtly
introduce these beliefs into the church?
Spreading these ideas: It is
clear from his book “The Final
Quest” that Rick Joyner believes he is called to convert the
rest of the church to these beliefs. He even claims that it is the
dead returning to earth as angelic beings, (great white eagles), that
will enable him to do this. Joyner states that he will command these
spirits of the dead into spiritual warfare against other Christians
to cause them to yield and start accepting Joyner’s leadership
and spiritual practices, (see p’s 16, 17, 22, and 65). Some think
that that is extremely controlling.
Receiving messages from the dead: Both Todd
Bentley and Rick Joyner claim to visit heaven during their
visionary experiences and whilst
there believe they receive prophetic messages from the Apostle Paul.
In “The Final Quest” Joyner even claims that “St
Paul” told him that the N/T Apostles had failed in their callings
and that we should not trust the parts of the bible written by them,
(see p’s 133-135). But don’t genuine prophetic messages
always agree with the bible and come directly from the Holy Spirit
not through departed saints? So is this of Gods Spirit or have these
ministries been deceived by false visions from an occult spirit?
spirit: Most of us are aware that there is an alternative
spirituality to Gods Holy Spirit. Those involved in the occult move
in a form of words of knowledge, predictions, occult reiki healings
and miracles and also experience spirits claiming to be angels or the
dead returning to earth. New Agers are not moving in the Holy Spirit
though but are being led astray by occult spirits. 2
Thess 2; 9 warns
us that before Christ return “the
working of Satan” will
increase “with all power, signs,
and lying wonders” so
many Christians could get deceived too.
Is occult power real today? Acts
8: 9 -11 gives us a church age example; “Simon...
practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people” who
said “This man is the great power of God”...”And
they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries”.
In Ex Ch 7 of the Old Testament we also read how Pharaohs magicians
were even able to duplicate several of the great miracles of Moses.
And the Book of Revelation says that at the end of this age the false
prophet “performs great signs, so
that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight
and that “he
deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs”, (Rev
Ch 13: 13, 14). As 2 Thess 2; 3 warn us of a “falling
believers we surely need to be very careful. Deceiving spirits could
be passed on to us by reading books, or by the laying on of hands,
by deceived Christians who are moving in such influences themselves,
(see video e.g.
A counterfeit gifting; In a video on Todd Bentleys
own website (which has since been removed unfortunately, like most
of his controversial
videos), Bentley preached – I don’t move in the gifts of
the Spirit… the gifts have to be initiated by the Holy Spirit…I
move in the seven spirits of God instead…this gives you the whole
council of God. He claims he can switch this gifting on and off at
will. Derek Prince, wrote; “Today I tremble inwardly when
I see or hear of a person who claims that he has spiritual gifts which
is free to use just as he pleases. It is surely no accident that some
of those who have made such claims have ended in serious doctrinal
error”, taken from “Protection
from Deception”, Derek
Visions from God or the demonic? Even Mike
the pastor of this Kansas group, originally thought that Bob Jones
visions were coming
from a demon. Jones experienced up to a dozen multicoloured visions
a night which first started whilst he was an inpatient in a mental
hospital. However Bickle then started experiencing similar things himself.
We know though that demonic influences can be transferred by close
contact between people so is that what happened here? Bickle now runs
the International House of Prayer, (IHOP), set up after another prophecy
from Bob Jones, through this the Kansas City Prophets are now influencing
many intercession ministries. The “World Prayer Centre” in
the UK now broadcasts these IHOP meetings in their own prayer room.
As this is spreading these ministries need to be weighed up as a matter
False predictions: This Kansas group have also made
many false predictions. For e.g. in 1990 Paul Cain along with several of
these other “prophets” predicted
that a great global revival would start in the UK that year and be
led John Wimber – nothing happened. Bob Jones prophesised only
last year that Todd Bentley was about to start a global 3rd wave revival
on the 08.08.08 which turned out to be the time that Bentley was exposed
for adultery instead and was forced stepped down from ministry.
teaching: There’s not room to study this here but if
you go online you can check and see that most of the Kansas prophets
visionary “revelations” and “teachings” usually
contradict the bible. For e.g. in “The Final Quest” (p.
128), Joyner states that God will raise up prophet judges, (including
himself), to rule over the church in the end times. Others have promoted
the “Manifests Sons of God” teaching, which states that
some believers will receive their resurrection bodies and rule in this
age before the return of Christ. 1 Tim 4;
1 warns us that many Christians
will start “giving heed to deceiving
spirits and doctrines of demons", so are these ministries receiving counterfeit
visions and false teachings from occult spirits? And was it wise for
Channel” to ask Mike Bickle and Rick Joyner to lead teaching
on the end times only last April?
Bad fruit: Way back in
1991, just after John Wimber had taken the Kansas City prophets under
he had to discipline several members
who were found to be involved in sexual immorality. Then their leading
prophet, Bob Jones, had to step down from ministry for a long season
after he admitted using his spiritual gifts to manipulate and solicit
sexual favours from women in his congregation. More recently there
was Paul Cain’s homosexual activity and Todd Bentley’s
adultery. God forgives but Matt
7; 16 also states that “You
will know them by their fruits”. So is it wise for
Channel “to keep drawing from this group?
Other ministries: In
Matt 24.24 Jesus warned us that deception would increase towards the
end of this age “to deceive, if
possible, even the elect”, (that’s us), and
2 Thess 2: 3 predicts
a great apostasy and “falling away” of believers from the
faith. So is this what is starting to occur today? Many ministries
are suddenly reporting a new type of spiritual anointing coming upon
them, indeed this is also claimed by Wendy Alec. I believe God will
be moving more powerfully in the end times but are the things described
above from God or the deceptions the bible warns us about? Surely we
need to test all such claims?
An e.g: Barbie Breathitt, a Christian
lady, who claims to be “a
professional dream interpreter”, said in an interview, (on Sid
Roths “Its Supernatural” TV program on Aug 11-17, 2008),
that she has been moving in a different type of spiritual anointing
since she started going to occult festivals. She reports that she dresses
up as a New Ager, rents booths alongside those that the witches use,
and interprets dreams for people involved in the occult. The interview
ends with an advert selling her dream interpretation kit to Christians
for $20 each. We should be testing such claims with the gift of “discerning
of spirits”, (1 Cor 12:
10). Has she mistakenly opened up to,
and started moving in, the New Age /occult anointing herself? (link
Other areas of deception: The interview above was also
being promoted on the “Elijah List” by Steve Shultz. He’s another
well intentioned Christian with much influence but who also lacks discernment.
Like the Alecs’ Shultz also chose Paul Cain as a spiritual adviser
whilst Cain was engaged in his secret homosexual lifestyle. Shultz
also promoted Bentley last year, believing everything Bentley said
without appearing to test anything. I feel led to finish here by drawing
attention to Patricia King’s ministry and her interest in gold
dust and the pursuit of angels. I believe in angels too but focusing
on them instead of the Lord can open one up to experiencing fallen
angels instead. I believe the Christian media will soon be promoting
many deceived Christian ministries and a flood of their deceptive encounters
with fallen angels + many waves of deception.
Conclusion: Each person
must decide for themselves but we should surely consider Matt
24:24 which tell’s us that towards the end of this
age “false prophets will rise and
show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect”. 1
Jn 2: 19 tells us
that “They went out from us, but
they were not of us” implying
that many of these people will start out from within the church as “Christians”.
So are false prophets now starting to emerge amongst us? Or should
we just be praying for these people as any one of us can get deceived?
The saying “but for the grace of God there go I” is always
very poignant. One thing is for certain - we cannot trust the “God
Channel” or the Christian media to decide for us, so we must
each test these things for ourselves with discernment, in prayer, and
against scripture just as the bible has always taught.
May God bless
you, (any prayer support for posting out this article is greatly appreciated).
Dobbs, updated 2nd July 2009. All scriptures were taken from the N.K.J.V.
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